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ArtM



Joined: 23 Feb 2006
Posts: 59
Location: Bedford NS Canada

PostPosted: Sat 01 Jul '06 19:00    Post subject: Microsoft Download Updates Performance Slower Reply with quote

1) I recently let the Nicrosoft downloads upload Windows XP Pro.

Now my server runs like a turtle!! Markedly Slower.

This is maddening. Anyone else experience this with relatively recent MS updates? Any suggestions on how to restore performance?

2) Anyone have a good set of tips on how to run Windows XP Pro for optimal Apache performance?

- Art
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James Blond
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Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Posts: 7288
Location: Germany, Next to Hamburg

PostPosted: Sun 02 Jul '06 8:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

Normaly you can uninstall the Downloads. If not, use the restore point from a day before. Make sure that you won't loose any nesseary data.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306084/

How to tune Windows up? well, every PC Freak will tell you something different. For myself I installed Windows XP with SP 1, made the Update from CD to SP 2, than disabled updates. But, I have an application protection software. So there are no security hole. Not sure if that is good without the app protection. But the best tuning is RAM. Since I have more than 1 GB RAM, Windows run better. Since I have 2 GB, I never had preformance Problems.
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Jorge



Joined: 12 Mar 2006
Posts: 376
Location: Belgium

PostPosted: Sun 02 Jul '06 10:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

James Blond wrote:
Normaly you can uninstall the Downloads. If not, use the restore point from a day before. Make sure that you won't loose any nesseary data.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306084/

How to tune Windows up? well, every PC Freak will tell you something different. For myself I installed Windows XP with SP 1, made the Update from CD to SP 2, than disabled updates. But, I have an application protection software. So there are no security hole. Not sure if that is good without the app protection. But the best tuning is RAM. Since I have more than 1 GB RAM, Windows run better. Since I have 2 GB, I never had preformance Problems.


Yeah RAM is the key... locking kernal in RAM and not allow it to page is the bigest tweak i've found... the sucker eats up about 800mb for me so thats a real memory hog... but man... thats sweet!

Also Software RAID driver -> Bad Bad Bad thye take to mutch CPU
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Steffen
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Joined: 15 Oct 2005
Posts: 3049
Location: Hilversum, NL, EU

PostPosted: Sun 02 Jul '06 12:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

Virus scanners can also slow down. Good practice is to exclude scanning your webspace. I use NOD32, that is a lightening fast scanner.

Steffen
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HobbyTech



Joined: 25 Jun 2006
Posts: 31
Location: USA

PostPosted: Sun 02 Jul '06 22:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 other Fast Antivirus Programs:

  1. Avast! Antivirus
  2. AVG Antivirus


Avast! is the fastest of those I've tried (assuming Windows and you want GUI software). It even recently caught spyware on my computer, too. AVG has won numerous awards, and it's pretty fast, too. I think Avast! is not so well-known, because I have never seen it reviewed.

Also, maybe a little OT, but my favorite firewall of all I tried is ZoneAlarm which also has a few extra features (like preventing eBay password from being stolen, etc.). It is fast and easy to set up, and it recently was the only firewall in PC World's July review to stop 100% of traffic in each of 3 tests.

Note that most combo-packages don't do so well on either Firewall or Antivirus.

All the above software is free.

If you don't want something to hog your resources, don't use Norton/Symantec software...but most people here probably already know that.

Actually, I recently installed 2GB RAM in my Win-Doze computer, so it's pretty fast, but I make a point to use those products that have a good design, and eventually, I'll go for the pro version on some for some of the extra features. Thank God for people who make free software...I don't know where I'd be right now with my computers without them (lotsa stuff happened the last couple years).
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Steffen
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Location: Hilversum, NL, EU

PostPosted: Mon 03 Jul '06 12:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting:

"Programs that throw many exceptions run significantly slower on a Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)-based computer" at
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;919490&sd=rss&spid=6794
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ArtM



Joined: 23 Feb 2006
Posts: 59
Location: Bedford NS Canada

PostPosted: Thu 06 Jul '06 21:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few more clues.

I have James tip about putting a sound clip at the end of the page running on the server.

When I access a page I immediately hear the sound clip. BUT the page then takes several seconds more to display. Its like the Apache-PHP sequence is operating at the speed of light; but the output of bytes back to the client on the Internet is the slowpoke!

While my server is far from modern, it used to return pages MUCH faster - until I let MS do the Updates.

Wonder if they throttled TCP/IP speed/size in some way in one of the updates?

I don't run Antivirus programs in real time; so thats not a factor.
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pnllan



Joined: 05 Dec 2005
Posts: 221

PostPosted: Thu 06 Jul '06 21:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

To my knowledge, Microsoft has NOT 're-formulated' the IP stack in Windows XP. The systems I run are maintained to an up-to-date status, and I have experienced what you are talking about. I have seen an earlier version of Apache do this, and the person who corrected the issue reloaded Apache. In a similiar instance, we found that the PC running Apache had a bad IO chip. Once we replaced the board, Apache ran fine on that PC.

Have you tried Restoring to a point before the Update occurred to see if you can regain performance lost after the Update?

Also, inspect what Processes are running in TaskMan.
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James Blond
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Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Posts: 7288
Location: Germany, Next to Hamburg

PostPosted: Thu 06 Jul '06 22:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

ArtM wrote:
A few more clues.

I have James tip about putting a sound clip at the end of the page running on the server.

In this topic/ thread???
ArtM wrote:

When I access a page I immediately hear the sound clip. BUT the page then takes several seconds more to display. Its like the Apache-PHP sequence is operating at the speed of light; but the output of bytes back to the client on the Internet is the slowpoke!

Of cause, depending on the filesize it take longer to load the page.

ArtM wrote:

Wonder if they throttled TCP/IP speed/size in some way in one of the updates?

The only new thing from w2k to XP is the Qos service, which one should be disabled when using Apache.

To get nearer we need to know somethings from you httpd.cof

  • loaded modules?
  • KeepAlive on/off?
  • HostnameLookups on/off?
  • EnableMMAP off/on
  • EnableSendfile off/on
  • php as cgi or module
  • running as service?

How much memory is free when Apache, mysql other scripts are running? how much CPU usage?
Using a accelerator?
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