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Dropping VC10 Builds ?

 
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Steffen
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PostPosted: Sat 03 Dec '16 11:29    Post subject: Dropping VC10 Builds ? Reply with quote

Considering that VC10 is hardly downloaded/used, planning not to upgrade VC10 anymore.

What do you think ?
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mercury



Joined: 21 Dec 2016
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Dec '16 22:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is very troubling.
I need it very much.
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admin
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Dec '16 22:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the reason you need VC10 and not VC11/14 ?
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mercury



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PostPosted: Wed 21 Dec '16 22:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm using Windows Embedded POSReady 2009.
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admin
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Dec '16 23:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is basically XP SP 3 and has updates till May 2019. I did not know that.

It is for commercial use ? I shall think about it.
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Jan-E



Joined: 09 Mar 2012
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Location: Amsterdam, NL, EU

PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec '16 0:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

On that platform Gregg's VC9 builds will be running fine:
https://www.apachehaus.com/cgi-bin/download.plx#APACHE24VC09
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mercury



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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec '16 2:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know Apache Haus, but I have been using the Apache Lounge for years.
It is regrettable that it can not be used.
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Jan-E



Joined: 09 Mar 2012
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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec '16 6:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you using PHP as well? If so, do you upgrade or stay at the latest 5.4 build?
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mercury



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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec '16 7:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm using php 5.4.45.
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TPL



Joined: 25 Mar 2014
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Location: Germany, Hamburg

PostPosted: Fri 23 Dec '16 13:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've dropped the support for VC10 a couple of months ago. Building my Setups just for VC11 / VC14 to reduce the effort.
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jack01



Joined: 28 Feb 2014
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan '17 9:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

I now see V10 support is no longer available. Is this decision drop final?

I still use V10 on my Windows 2008 R2 boxes. This machines were installed few years back and Apache httpd with V10 was installed. I see V14 is also supported on server's operating system, but what I see troubling is V14 requires new version of Microsoft Visual C++ Redistributable Package. Why? Any installation on existing system may break exiting installations, but this boxes are very sensitive - they just must work without downtime - installing any kind of additional software poses the risk of breaking something and reverting back to previous software state is often not simple.

It is demanded to not install any additional software (except urgent security fixes) on this boxes.

I like only to upgrade Apache httpd on this boxes. There is no install, just unzip and copy/paste the config files - so if something goes wrong, I can very quickly revert back to older version. For security reasons I like to keep my Apache httpd up to date.

It would be nice if decision to drop some support are announced few months before change happens, to prevent instant (probably bad) decisions made in our (and probably others) organization, like not upgrading Apache httpd anymore.

Just wondering is decision to drop V10 final?

I am voting (if this counts) to keep it.

Regards
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admin
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan '17 11:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can upgrade to VC14 without issues, it is advised.
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jack01



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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan '17 11:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

admin wrote:
You can upgrade to VC14 without issues, it is advised.

On our machines it is installed Apache httpd VC10 and also required Microsoft Visual C++ 2010.

Is VC14 working without installing Microsoft Visual C++ 2015? That is my main complain.
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Jan-E



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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan '17 12:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

You only have to install the VC14 redistributables (X86 & X64), not the complete Visual C++ 2015. Apache VC14 runs flawlessly on Windows 2008 R2. I have it running on my own servers.
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jack01



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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan '17 12:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for bad wording I thought about "Redistributable Package" as explained in my pre-previous post. I know that whole Microsoft Visual C++ is not required. But I think installing any software including "Redistributable Package" may influence on stability of computer and that is my idea of complain.
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Jan-E



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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan '17 12:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

jack01 wrote:
But I think installing any software including "Redistributable Package" may influence on stability of computer and that is my idea of complain.

In my experience it does not influence stability. I have a development 2008 R2 server with Apache VC9, Apache VC11 and Apache VC14 besides one another (on different IPv4 IP's), all with their respective redistributables.
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jack01



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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan '17 7:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Jan-E, I am actually more worried about stability of other (very business important) software on this boxes and the negative effect that may installing new version of "Redistibutable Package" have effect on.
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Jan-E



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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan '17 10:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I know the redistributable packages add a lot of files, but do not change any existing files. But if you are that anxious about system stability, you really should have a development 2008 R2 server.
Code:

C:\>dir c:\windows\system32 | find "09/06/16  21:53"
09/06/16  21:53           333,632 concrt140.dll
09/06/16  21:53         6,037,296 mfc140.dll
09/06/16  21:53            46,912 mfc140chs.dll
09/06/16  21:53            46,912 mfc140cht.dll
09/06/16  21:53            75,584 mfc140deu.dll
09/06/16  21:53            65,856 mfc140enu.dll
09/06/16  21:53            74,560 mfc140esn.dll
09/06/16  21:53            75,584 mfc140fra.dll
09/06/16  21:53            73,536 mfc140ita.dll
09/06/16  21:53            55,104 mfc140jpn.dll
09/06/16  21:53            54,080 mfc140kor.dll
09/06/16  21:53            71,488 mfc140rus.dll
09/06/16  21:53         6,065,976 mfc140u.dll
09/06/16  21:53           105,776 mfcm140.dll
09/06/16  21:53           105,784 mfcm140u.dll
09/06/16  21:53           633,152 msvcp140.dll
09/06/16  21:53           545,088 vcamp140.dll
09/06/16  21:53           395,592 vccorlib140.dll
09/06/16  21:53           185,152 vcomp140.dll
09/06/16  21:53            87,888 vcruntime140.dll

C:\>dir c:\windows\system32 | find "19/11/15  15:07"
19/11/15  15:07            11,616 api-ms-win-core-file-l1-2-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            11,616 api-ms-win-core-file-l2-1-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            14,176 api-ms-win-core-localization-l1-2-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            12,128 api-ms-win-core-processthreads-l1-1-1.dll
19/11/15  15:07            12,128 api-ms-win-core-synch-l1-2-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            11,616 api-ms-win-core-timezone-l1-1-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            11,616 api-ms-win-core-xstate-l2-1-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            12,640 api-ms-win-crt-conio-l1-1-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            15,712 api-ms-win-crt-convert-l1-1-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            12,128 api-ms-win-crt-environment-l1-1-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            13,664 api-ms-win-crt-filesystem-l1-1-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            12,640 api-ms-win-crt-heap-l1-1-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            12,128 api-ms-win-crt-locale-l1-1-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            20,832 api-ms-win-crt-math-l1-1-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            19,808 api-ms-win-crt-multibyte-l1-1-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            63,840 api-ms-win-crt-private-l1-1-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            12,640 api-ms-win-crt-process-l1-1-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            16,224 api-ms-win-crt-runtime-l1-1-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            17,760 api-ms-win-crt-stdio-l1-1-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            17,760 api-ms-win-crt-string-l1-1-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            14,176 api-ms-win-crt-time-l1-1-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07            12,128 api-ms-win-crt-utility-l1-1-0.dll
19/11/15  15:07           994,760 ucrtbase.dll
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Steffen
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Location: Hilversum, NL, EU

PostPosted: Wed 18 Jan '17 14:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, counting the requests for 2.4 VC10. Till now only 3 !

This compared to the huge amounts of other downloads:

I think it is time to remove the 2.4 VC10 builds.

ps.
If you really desperate need it, contact me for a paid one.
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