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mrdj1024



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PostPosted: Sat 26 Oct '24 23:25    Post subject: ECDSA question Reply with quote

hello!
so i came across this "ECDSA does not encrypt or prevent someone from seeing or accessing your data, what it protects against though is making sure that the data was not tampered with"
so does this mean if we use ssl for a webserver our only option is RSA? because i always liked ecdsa because of the shorter keysizes and faster ssl handshakes,but if its not encrypting the data from packet sniffers its basically useless,so should we switch to rsa 3072 bit to get the equivalent of a p-256 key?
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James Blond
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov '24 12:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

ECDSA is secure with the correct options. I wrote an article on which ciphers to choose from and why[1] and there is an example configuration how to get an A+ at SSL test labs.[2]

Your p-256 key is too weak. You need at least 384 plus a 521 one.


[1] https://mariobrandt.de/archives/apache/choosing-the-right-cipher-alias-crypto-wars-part-twelve-1475/
[2] https://github.com/JBlond/debian_build_apache24/blob/master/ssl.conf
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mrdj1024



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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov '24 14:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

thankyou very much for the detailed info! i made a new 384 key and added your conf options and got an a+ on ssllabs
does this look right?

Code:
#   SSL Cipher Suite:
#   List the ciphers that the client is permitted to negotiate,
#   and that httpd will negotiate as the client of a proxied server.
#   See the OpenSSL documentation for a complete list of ciphers, and
#   ensure these follow appropriate best practices for this deployment.
#   httpd 2.2.30, 2.4.13 and later force-disable aNULL, eNULL and EXP ciphers,
#   while OpenSSL disabled these by default in 0.9.8zf/1.0.0r/1.0.1m/1.0.2a.
SSLCipherSuite SSL ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384
SSLCipherSuite TLSv1.3 TLS_CHACHA20_POLY1305_SHA256:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
#SSLProxyCipherSuite ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384TLS_CHACHA20_POLY1305_SHA256:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384

https://ibb.co/GdnHtDv
im on windows
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James Blond
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Nov '24 11:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your configuration looks good.
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mrdj1024



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PostPosted: Tue 12 Nov '24 5:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

according to mozilla these suites are also secure
Code:
ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:DHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305

can these still give a a+ rating? and if so,which order should they be in to ensure best speed?
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James Blond
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Nov '24 10:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384, DHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305, and DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 have no EC (elliptic curves) and are no longer considered secure.

ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 and ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 are still on "the good list"[1] of SSL test labs but have only 128 bits.

[1] https://github.com/ssllabs/research/wiki/SSL-and-TLS-Deployment-Best-Practices
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mrdj1024



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Location: Bridgeton,NJ,USA

PostPosted: Tue 12 Nov '24 14:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

thankyou,so i updated my ssl conf to
Code:
SSLCipherSuite SSL ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256
SSLCipherSuite TLSv1.3 TLS_CHACHA20_POLY1305_SHA256:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256

is this order correct,as i sometimes use rsa keys that are 3072 bit?
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DnvrSysEngr



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PostPosted: Wed 13 Nov '24 2:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks same as mine, except i have CHACHA listed in 2nd place

SSLCipherSuite SSL --- ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256

SSLCipherSuite TLSv1.3 --- TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:TLS_CHACHA20_POLY1305_SHA256
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mrdj1024



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PostPosted: Wed 13 Nov '24 2:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the reply!
i'd appreciate it if someone could make me a list in the correct order so i can use both 384 ecdsa and 3072 bit rsa certs on the same server.
i dont need an a+ rating by any means but it would be nice to be able to use both types of encryption with both security and speed in mind.
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DnvrSysEngr



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PostPosted: Thu 14 Nov '24 22:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have mine sorted on what I discovered to be the most secure/robust based on the research I had done. Not sure I can provide any more information than that.
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